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Yesterday I was talking to [livejournal.com profile] nova33 about why she loves Johnny/Evan, and there was this exchange:

[livejournal.com profile] unlurkster: yessss. I approve of this.
OH OH
you know what?? I would like for this to be, like, an actually fake war
where they're just-kidding-no-really, and when they meet to hook up they have teasing hatesex that isn't really hatesex, only sometimes the boundaries between what they meant and didn't mean are
[livejournal.com profile] nova33: Yes!
OR
[livejournal.com profile] unlurkster: kind of blurred to even themselves
[livejournal.com profile] nova33: It really is just a weird sort of sexual tension. Like...they don't really like each other - so they're not terribly fond when they actually do get together - but all the shit they say to the press is just an extended form of pigtail-pulling.
So when they see each other it's genuine anger - "You implied I was gay!" "You said I was untalented!" - but it's all sort of a game.
Yes????
[livejournal.com profile] unlurkster: oh mannnn yes! it's just a lot of weirdness crackling between them, sexually, and they don't know what they mean and what they don't mean
YES YES YES. let's have a BRAIN TWIN HI-FIVE, c'mon


And right there I guess is the kind of Johnny/Evan dynamic that's my favourite, the codependency and the frustration and the need. I mean, I can buy a whole bunch of different readings of their relationship (and so can Johnny & Evan! look at how spectacularly retconned their rivalry is!), but this I think is the definitive one that punches me in the gut and makes me believe, before I remember that Johnny/Stéphane is my OTP (tin-fucking-hat, you guys). I don't know, I find this the most exciting part of entering a fandom, getting to know who the hell these people are and who you ship and why you ship them ("they're pretty" is still a reason, fyi), and also basically thinking about it a whole bunch and also having really intense conversations about it, um.

So, anyway! Why do you ship what you ship, dudes? COME TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 12:26 (UTC)
ext_3762: girl reading outside in sunshine (music)
From: [identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com
Bob and Brian, because of the history and the way they both have a tendency to do stupid shit (and so clearly need someone to patch them up/yell at them/etc.). I don't know, I can get into any pairing if it's well built up, but those two, I adore them, oh. There's a reason the first story I wrote in bandom was about them; there's a reason why I keep coming back, why they're so easy to write.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 12:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
Oh, you. ♥ You should tell me more about the stupid shit and the history, because I am not at all well-versed in MCR canon, and I want to know moooore. What's their dynamic like, in your head?

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 12:39 (UTC)
ext_3762: girl reading outside in sunshine (smoking)
From: [identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com
The stupid shit! Well, Bob was set on fire during a video shoot, because it was the kind of video shoot that if they stopped it, the set was being burned down, and so it could not be recreated. So he just went on playing and didn't say anything about being on fire. IDIOT. He also nearly died when that same wound went gangrenous before he went to the hospital with it. OOOPS. So he's very very dedicated to--well, the band that was his band, let's skip over this part, okay?--and basically all he ever wanted to do was play the drums, and he met Brian back when Brian was a tour manager for other bands and Bob was doing sound. Brian was training to become a stunt man there for a while, and does things like parachute out of planes or from hot-air balloons on a quasi-regular basis. And more recently on twitter: when someone asked him if he still talked to Bob and if he'd tell him the fans would miss him, and he said, "I do and I will." &THEM; Also, they're both very very competent.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 12:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
I approve of this fondness for competent people! Also OH GOD BOB HOW SO RIDICULOUS. :D:

(Feel free to keep talking at me, btw, I find this immensely interesting! I do not know much but I will smile at you beatifically.)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 13:26 (UTC)
ext_3762: girl reading outside in sunshine (music)
From: [identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com
My competence kink is, um, a mile wide might be underestimating it (do you KNOW why I fell headfirst for The Like? The music being well-written, oh my god, I went "...there it goes, my heart." And that note about her hooking up her guitarpedals for Ryan, I was like, "Z BERG. *___*")

But yes. I've had so many conversations with [livejournal.com profile] torakowalski that amount to "THEY ARE SO RIDICULOUS" and "OMG THEM." Like, okay, that whole twitter loyalty thing (there were a couple of other things too). And because they've known each other for so long, there's this perfect opportunity to write Pining with a capital P that just goes on and on and neither of them daring to say anything until one of them does something like jump out of a plane or get set on fire, which prompts that most adorable of declarations of love: "You ever do that again and I will kill you myself, do you hear me?" Anyway, that's the characterization behind my big bang from last year, the three seconds of Bob/Brian in it, anyway. "Idiot" is a very romantic epithet, okay?

Ahem, I'll shut up now. Every time I think I'm tired of them I do this.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 13:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
I think people on our flists must be getting sick of us talking about each other all the time, seriously.

You can't ask thinky questions like this that I can't answer because we've already discussed them! That takes all the fun out of it! (And actually, I think what you asked me was why I didn't ship your OTP. Which - well. WHY DON'T YOU SHIP MINE, GOD?)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 13:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
THAT IS TRUE. MAYBE I SHOULD COME UP WITH A CODE NAME FOR YOU.

You can talk about banom also! Or Sherlock Holmes! I like knowing why people ship things.

Also that is lies. I am an equal opportunity shipper! I could probably answer that question, only it would start edging more into a "cos I ship my OTP more" direction and, you know.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 13:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
I'M SURE NO ONE WOULD CATCH ON.

I could...if my brain wasn't totally consumed by figure skating.

Well, I am also an equal opportunity shipper. But hey, you know what? I'll indulge you. Tell me why you ship your OTP more than you ship mine. (It'll break my heart, but I love you that much.)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 13:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
Why my OTP is my OTP:

1. Because Stéphane Lambiel. No seriously, this guy!! I love that he loves cheesy things unabashedly, and that he loves things period. HE LOVES ICE SHOWS AND THE ENERGY OF THE AUDIENCE. WHAT MORE COULD ANY SKATER ASK FOR. Also, he is a total hottie. (Johnny totally refers to Stéphane in that way, shut up.)

2. I enjoy the fact that they've known each other a long, long time. In my head they've always hooked up at least once before, and just decided to be friends instead. And yeah, I guess it's a dynamic that can be pretty sexless (unlike Johnny/Evan, which just sets itself up for hatesex, I think [livejournal.com profile] harriet_vane described it pretty well when she called it a "punch-kiss" impulse in her fic), but I like thinking about how they're obviously really comfortable around each other! It's a less fraught relationship, and I would like Johnny to have a less fraught relationship overall.

2a. This is why I find the most RIDICULOUS joy in imagining the schmoopiest relationships. It's like, the tropes that didn't work for me in bandom find a completely new lease of life in figure skating fandom. Future fic? Sure! Kidfic? OH MAN YES PLEASE. I love thinking about future Johnny -- calmer and healthier and hopefully in a happier place, and Stéphane just fits into that.

3. This isn't to say that I don't think they don't push each others' buttons? I think it's easy to stereotype ships, and Johnny/Stéphane very easily gets characterised as a sort of "and then they cuddled, the end" kind of pairing. That is fine! I always support more cuddles for Johnny Weir! But I also find interesting to think about the way they push each others' buttons, perhaps not as explicitly as Johnny and Evan do, but there nonetheless.

4. There are Gaga/Britney fanwars. THIS IS CANON OH GOD.

5. They're both really similar! While I can believe in a Johnny/Stéphane dynamic where Stéphane tones down Johnny's... Johnny-ness, I also like it when people recognise that Stéphane is also a huge drama queen with tendencies towards fits of poutiness. I'd like to imagine that together they are both capable of recognising it in each other and toning each other down, and also I like imagining several hilarious moments in which they call each other out on their drama queen tendencies.

6. They do pairs skating and they both want to be the girl. (But seriously -- it's a relationship in which top/bottom and dom/sub isn't very obvious, so it's pretty reciprocal in that sense.)

7. Because they cuddle. Look at my icon. JUST LOOK AT IT.

It is shockingly easy to get me to tl;dr over this, oh my god. /o\

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 15:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
1. Okay, I appreciate Stephane. I really, really do, don't get me wrong. But just - Evan! (This is where that stupid fuck, marry, kill game becomes a problem for me.)

2. I understant the appeal of this, too! I mean, that punch-kiss idea (good way of putting it, I agree) is something I find really attractive and fascinating in its own right, but the way two people can sort of quietly fall into a relationship together is also lovely, and Stephane/Johnny definitely lends itself to that.

Kidfic does not normally appeal to me at all, but oh my goodness, watching Stephane teach little kids to skate melts my heart. (Um, that being said? I'm way more into the idea of Evan as a parent than Stephane as a parent, because I think he'd be an interesting father, whereas Stephane is just guaranteed to be wonderful, you know?)

3. Tell me more about the ways they push each other's buttons! Because that's what's interesting; the stuff that goes beyond the tropes. They can be adorable and live happily ever after, but I'd like to see bitchy fights about Britney vs Gaga that somehow turn into bigger arguments until they're yelling at each other and then spending a week being passive aggressively bitchy.

5. Why haven't you written me this five things fic? Seriously, you just set yourself up for that: Five times Johnny and Stephane called each other out on their drama queen tendencies (and one time they just revelled in it)

6. Do you think the top/bottom is really evident in Evan/Johnny? I'm not trying to start an OTP war, here, I'm actually just wondering. Because I don't think it is. (Discuss this with me, please? For both pairings?) I do think that the dom/sub is more obvious in an Evan/Johnny pairing, but that one fic on the kink meme makes me want dom!Stephane and sub!Johnny always.

7. EVAN AND JOHNNY COULD CUDDLE. SOMETIMES. MAYBE.

...IF I WISH REALLY, REALLY HARD.

Clearly I am equally as adept at the tl;dr thing, so don't even worry.

(This is my new favourite icon at the moment, but that could change.)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 13:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melonsplash.livejournal.com
With Johnny/Evan, I don't even like RPF. But with these two I can't help it - they're just begging to be shipped. I justify it by saying that figure skating is more like performance than any other sport, that, like Johnny says during Vancouver, that they're portraying characters when they're on the ice. So much of what we know about them is really a persona, so it's okay to ship their personas - characters - together. So enough about my completely in vain internal justification - why them? Uhm... I guess because they're so much more interesting than the other common ships in the fandom, because of their rivalry dynamic. Because Johnny plays up his persona with his shove-massive-things-in-me-smirks and because it's so easy to be swept away by what everyone else is shipping with their analyses and their fics. Guh, I don't know. I'm new to this fandom and still learning.

I have a question for you - why is Johnny/Stéphane your OTP? I thought I loved J/S more than J/E, but I seem to have forgotten J/S in the recent drama...

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 13:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
Hee! Well, I do agree that the Johnny/Evan dynamic can be incredibly compelling. Also, I think you've hit it right on the head with what makes RPF so interesting -- So much of what we know about them is really a persona -- because real people are tangled up and messy and contradictory. I could easily buy a whole bunch of different characterisations of Johnny Weir et al.

As for why I ship Johnny/Stéphane: well, I commented here! It is a ridiculous and earnest list and I think they are totally meant for each other. :D

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 14:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harriet-vane.livejournal.com
Johnny and Evan are both desperately in need of love and support, and that is A+ bulletproof kink material for me. Johnny has his family and a really good sense of self, but basically every minute of his professional life is a struggle. Evan has respect and the gold medal and sponsors, but there doesn't seem to be anyone around to tell him to take a nap, already, or to take a day off when he's got a concussion. Plus there's the whole Johnny is artistic/Evan is athletic rivalry since childhood. The idea that each one of them has what the other wants, desperately, and both of them have this sort of giant gaping lack... Oh man. It's PERFECT for my id.

Although, the fic I really, really, really, really, really want, which I think is sort of what you were talking about yesterday, is this: Evan and Stéphane realize they are both kind of pining for Johnny and for whatever reason instead of doing anything about it they start hooking up, and then it turns into a ~relationship~ and then Johnny finds out, and is kind of destroyed by it, and then the three of them end up in the weirdest, most neurotic (yet huggy!) polyamorous relationship ever.

(I will totally read Johnny/Stéphane, because it is adorable, but my whole thing is WHO IS SAD AND HOW CAN HE GET CUDDLES, so it doesn't work as well for me.)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 15:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
The idea that each one of them has what the other wants, desperately, and both of them have this sort of giant gaping lack. This is exactly what I love about them! (I was actually just talking to Li yesterday about a scene in which Johnny is mad because Evan doesn't sleep enough and Evan is mad because Johnny isn't eating properly. Because they should look after each other!)

Also, I want so much fic about that polyamorous relationship. SO MUCH.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harriet-vane.livejournal.com
Oooh, I want that fic! I want them looking after each other SO MUCH! Johnny is such a mommy on his show, cooking for Paris and bustling around, and he SO BADLY needs someone to look after him, too. (The parts where he's sick in Japan and just kind of... lies around, feeling awful, and all his ~Johnny Weir sparkle~ is just utterly gone... I NEED SOMEONE TO BE NICE TO HIM THERE. Also, it's possible I just wrote that into fic, so.)

I will bribe people to write it. Seriously. Name your price, fandom.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
Okay, so...I haven't seen the show yet? Which makes me a BAD FAN, I know! But have some chatfic about them looking after each other, since I don't think I'll ever actually write this fic:

One morning Evan wakes up later than usual and Johnny's waiting for him in the kitchen, drumming his fingers on the table. When Evan goes into the kitchen to make himself some tea, Johnny's tone is sharp. "What time did you actually get to sleep last night?"

Evan sighs and sets the water on to boil. "I'm not sure." He stares at the kettle instead of looking at Johnny, but Johnny is already moving to stand next to him. Evan doesn't have to turn around to know that Johnny's hands are on his hips.

"Bullshit you're not sure," Johnny says, and he sounds pissed, but his voice cracks a little when he adds, "Don't lie."

Evan scrubs a hand over his face, smoothing his hair out of his eyes. He turns around and leans against the counter. "I think maybe it was three or so?" Johnny just looks at him, and Evan mumbles, "3:56."

"God, why won't you just sleep?" Johnny says, and shuts off the whistling kettle.

"I couldn't," Evan responds. "I had to-" He turns and pours the water into his mug.

"You had to what?" Johnny asks, and the tenderness that was beginning to show in his voice is gone. "What was so important that you had to forfeit sleep on one of the only nights you've had off in the past month?"

"I had to get that routine right," Evan says, and he's talking more to the steam rising from his mug than to Johnny, but the kitchen's too quiet.

"You-" Johnny starts, exasperated, and then he slides a hand onto Evan's neck, warm and gentle. "Evan."

"I just didn't do it well enough, on the show. The judges -"

"Screw the judges! It's fucking reality TV, everything is manufactured to be a certain way, to create drama. It's not real!" Johnny squeezes his hand lightly, but he knows immediately it was the wrong thing to say as Evan stiffens. He's clenching the mug so hard that his fingers are turning white.

"I just wanted to do it to the best of my ability," he says stiffly, and he's using his media voice, and Johnny hates it.

"You have a concussion, and a broken toe, and you're exhausted," Johnny says, and Evan breaks out of his grip and walks to the table.

"I had to get it right." Evan's sitting down now, but he still looks shaky, like he's going to slump over the table at any moment. "I couldn't sleep until I'd gotten it right. I kept thinking about it, lying in bed. All the things that I could fix."

"You should have woken me up," Johnny says, sitting down.

Evan shakes his head. "I don't think there was anything you could have done. I just needed to fix it." Johnny looks like he wants to say something else, but instead leans back in his chair and closes his eyes. "How long have you been up?" Evan asks, and Johnny holds up six fingers. "What did you have for breakfast?" There's a pause, and when Johnny opens his eyes Evan is looking at him intently. "Did you even have breakfast?"

"I wasn't hungry," Johnny replies, and Evan actually slams his hand down on the table, making Johnny jump.

"You have to fucking eat, Johnny."

"I just wasn't hungry!"

"You have to maintain your fitness, but you need energy. You know that."

"I eat," Johnny responds. "I made you dinner last night, didn't I?"

"Yeah, and most of what was on your plate ended up in the trash, even though you poked and prodded at it for forty minutes," Evan responds, and Johnny looks away. "I'm not blind, Johnny. I'm not an idiot, either."

"We're not talking about me," Johnny says. "We're talking about you."

"Not anymore."

"That discussion was not over."

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 06:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melonsplash.livejournal.com
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only fan who hasn't seen BGJW yet! And now I see from your profile that you're in Australia like me, which would explain it. I haven't figured out how I'm going to watch it yet... :/

And this is a very interesting discussion you're all having, and I love how you guys can put into words what the rest of us are thinking.

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 11:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
Oh man, I have got to change my profile - I am actually no longer in Australia (I just moved back in January) but yeah, I'm sure there's somewhere we can download the episodes? I'm just not sure where. (Where in Australia are you, if you don't mind me asking?)

I'm glad you're finding it interesting! I tend to feel like I just ramble a lot? But basically my brain has been totally taken over by figure skating at the moment, so.

Date: Thursday, 6 May 2010 13:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melonsplash.livejournal.com
I don't know where either (we can download the eps, I mean, not where I live. I know that :P).

Augh, tell me about it. I mean, I enjoy it, except when I'm trying to have a life as well. :P

Date: Thursday, 6 May 2010 13:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melonsplash.livejournal.com
Oh, and I was going to PM you so we could discuss Aust., but I think we have to be LJ-friends to do that. Were you in Australia long?

Date: Thursday, 6 May 2010 14:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
Responding to both comments here - I was in Australia for four and a half years, so yes? I guess that's a while.

I'm sure I have links for the episodes somewhere, because the internet is obliging, most of the time. I'll see if I can find them.

Oh man, I love this stupid fandom, but because I'm not in school at the moment, I just sit at home refreshing kink meme threads and watching figure skating programs for hours on end. I'm thinking that's not exactly healthy.

We could be friends? And then the PMing could happen! If you'd like, that is.

Date: Friday, 7 May 2010 02:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melonsplash.livejournal.com
Yes - soon we will both be enlightened to whatever the heck everyone's talking about on BGJW (I think I've only seen the foot massager scene so far :P).

Oh man, I love this stupid fandom, but because I'm not in school at the moment, I just sit at home refreshing kink meme threads and watching figure skating programs for hours on end. I'm thinking that's not exactly healthy.
Omg, are you me?

Sure thing. I'm Melon, by the way.

Date: Friday, 7 May 2010 12:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
That's the only scene I've seen, too! So many times.

Ahahaha, possibly? Seriously, I spent all of last weekend watching old routines. I fully blame _skating, and a RL friend of mine who is so, so pleased that soemone else is into skating. (Though she is baffled that it is me, of all people.)

Nice to meet you! (as it were) I'm Elena. *waves*

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
Evan is quiet for a few long moments, taking a sip of tea. "I'll make you a deal," he says finally, looking up at Johnny. "You eat properly, and I'll try to sleep more. I'll try not to obsess over those things."

"I -" Johnny starts. "Fine. Agreed." He holds out a hand to Evan, but Evan grabs it and doesn't let go, just tugs until Johnny comes over to his side of the table. He reaches up and threads his hands through Johnny's hair and pulls him down for a long kiss. His hands are gentle against Johnny's skin, his mouth warm from the tea.

Evan breaks away. "So we have a deal."

"Yeah," Johnny says, and if he sounds maybe a little more breathless than he does determined, he doesn't really think Evan can blame him.


In other news, I am totally writing polyamory fic! Because, um...the three of them together is my favourite thing ever? And I want to write self-indulgent threesome domesticity for ever and always.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harriet-vane.livejournal.com
Yaaaaaaay. Is there pining as well as schmoopy domesticity? Because if it has both of those things I will be the world's happiest girl.

This commentfic is gorrrrrrgeous, I would like to read a billion words of it, please.

(I have talked to you in comments a bunch of times, so I just friended you, I hope you don't mind.)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
Oh man, so much pining. The whole premise is that Stephane and Johnny are together, but Stephane suggests a threesome, and Johnny suggests Evan (because he's maybe had this whole just-sex thing going with him for a while, and he can be counted on to be discreet). But then there are misunderstandings about what people mean to each other, and Johnny maybe panics because he's not even sure he deserves Stephane loving him, let alone Evan, and besides, how is three people ever going to work? So yes. Pining. And angsting. But then lots of schmoopy domesticity, like Stephane asking Evan to show him a DWTS dance, and then Stephane trying to teach Evan to bake but they get distracted and end up making out against the kitchen counter (even though at first, when Stephane's laughing and has flour in his hair and Evan leans in, because he just wants to kiss him, he pulls back, because he's not sure he's allowed, especially if Johnny's not there).

Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I really do just get started talking about these people and I do not shut up.

Um...that being said, the commentfic? I am apparently really bad at just sort of briefly talking about something and then letting it go. I kind of want to write them in an established relationship where they take care of each other, now.

(Friended! I was always too chicken to suggest it, to be honest. I'm a big wuss.)

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 00:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harriet-vane.livejournal.com
DON'T BE SORRY, I am sitting here going, "I posted about Johnny EVERY SINGLE DAY this week, if I post about Adam's sparkly jeans I WILL BE DEFRIENDED BY THE ENTIRE INTERNET... but!!! Sparkly jeans!!!!!" and debating with myself.

THAT SOUNDS AMAZING. If there is a scene of Johnny thinking he doesn't deserve love then it will be my new favorite fic EVER, particularly if that is followed by cuddles. Um. I am kind of easy?

I would LOVE that to be established relationship fic, for real. But the thing I'm writing has just hit... 23,200 words, and I only just got to the conflict, so I am clearly CRAZY. Don't mind me.

(Hee. <3 I am the WORST about friending people, it freaks me out. But I promise I am not scary at all, although I am deeply, DEEPLY tl;dr about Johnny Weir's Inner Sadness.)

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 11:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
Well, for the record, I wouldn't defriend you for that. I feel that would be kinda awesome, actually.

There are many scenes like that, I think! Variations on a theme, if you will. Like...Johnny waking up in the middle of the night after the fourth or fifth time Evan's come over, cleaning because he's not sure what the hell is going on. And then Evan comes out to help him clean for a while and then get him to come back to bed. And another time in which Johnny says to Stephane and Evan over breakfast, "Anyone who ends up with me has to be either dumb or accepting," and his voice is shaky. "So which one are you?" ETC. I COULD GO ON AND ON.

Totally implausible established relationship h/c fic has been added to the list! (So it's official now.) You are not crazy! When I first randomly fell into this fandom - you know, back in the day... - I wrote 20, 000 words of the gay teen version of The Cutting Edge in two days. Like, original fiction. So you are definitely not the crazy one here. Tell me more about this thing you are writing? *waits patiently*

(Friending people on the internet should be easier than talking with people IRL, but somehow I've never managed to handle it very well. However! Thinky thoughts about Johnny Weir's Inner Sadness are definitely a good basis for a friendship, I feel.)

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 22:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harriet-vane.livejournal.com
Oh maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. Those scenes make me all fluttery. THEY SOUND AMAZING, I SINCERELY SINCERELY HOPE YOU WRITE THEM. Mostly so I can stare at you creepily like <3_______<3 and then bother you for MORE, but still.

Uh, the long thing is... long. 26k and change, and no discernable plot. Well. Sometime in the vague future after Johnny's retired, he's at the NHK cup for press stuff, and he ends up trying to help Adam Rippon get a date with Mirai Nagasu, but Evan is immediately suspicious that something's up, since Johnny's behind it, and the two of them spend the rest of the fic fighting with each other. (They have kind of a History.) It's very, very vaguely based around Pride and Prejudice.

HE IS SAD, INWARDLY, AND HE NEEDS HUGS, PARTICULARLY WHEN HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT THEM. This is like, my guiding fandom principal.

Date: Tuesday, 4 May 2010 12:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
I want to write so much OT3 fic, you have no idea. And so many ridiculous scenes of angsting and domesticity, all blended together!

Okay, so despite my initial dislike for Pride and Prejudice (please don't hate me for that; I studied it at an all-girls private school, I think that had something to do with it) that whole dynamic is clearly something I can get behind. This sounds amazing. Why wasn't it done, like, yesterday?

And an excellent principal it is!

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 20:44 (UTC)
aurora: (FS JWeir Determination)
From: [personal profile] aurora
(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 20:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nova33.livejournal.com
(I'm going to take this as a good thing.)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:45 (UTC)
aurora: (FS ELysacek Kick-ass)
From: [personal profile] aurora
(You have taken that correctly.)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:59 (UTC)

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 17:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshemily.livejournal.com
Okay I would totally read that. SO fast would I read that.

Also, Brendon/Ryan because of the push-pull dynamic of singing someone else's words and the anger there and the hand-holding. Also, to me they're the prettiest.

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 04:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
Oh man, yessss. Brendon/Ryan can be a surprisingly antagonistic relationship at times! It's codependent in a different way from Ryan/Spencer, the way they can't quite stop pushing each other's buttons. Unlike Ryan/Spencer, where Spencer is the Obvious Caretaker -- which I also enjoy!

Also the pretty. YOU HAVE MADE AN EXCELLENT POINT THERE.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 20:39 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aurora
oh mannnn yes! it's just a lot of weirdness crackling between them, sexually, and they don't know what they mean and what they don't mean
CLEARLY SOMEONE NEEDS TO WRITE THAT. CLEARLY. :D

("they're pretty" is still a reason, fyi)
Oh thank God! Seriously, though, I'm still trying to figure out how the hell I wound up in FS fandom, let alone why I ship Johnny/Evan (and Johnny/Stéphane, but to a lesser extent). The antagonistic tension is definitely a big factor for the former pairing, the adorable cuteness and desire for them to actually work out a pairs routine is what drew me to the latter. (OT3 FTW.)

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 05:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
RIGHT?? Go badger [livejournal.com profile] nova33, I just want all the stories in the world to exist. SHE SHOULD WRITE IT.

I'm still trying to figure out how the hell I wound up in FS fandom

Right?? I blame the Poker Face routine. :DDD

Date: Tuesday, 4 May 2010 01:47 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aurora
Go badger [info]nova33
Ahaha, I'm already annoying her enough, I think. /o\

At least you know who to blame. I'm still tracing the origins of this new fannish obsession.

Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 22:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-spin.livejournal.com
AHHHHH these are my favorite talks, I love this post so much!!! This is kind of a weird fandom for me because I've never really been deeply into RPF before, because I need some kind of narrative framework to hang stuff on to really get into a fandom, I guess? I generally find it really difficult to get character voices from interviews. But then Be Good Johnny Weir totally provides the narrative and there's a lot of canon for certain other skaters, and there are ships that totally work for me, so here I am.

I can do a little Johnny/Evan, pretty much for the reasons mentioned, because their relationship history is so hilarously confusing. But it's not really my dynamic of choice, mostly because what I most want from fic (and from stories in general) isn't these gigantic emotional turn-arounds where people go from hate (or strong dislike) to love, just because that kind of anger makes me uncomfortable in a lot of ways and it's just not something I'm super-interested in. I like it in some situations, particularly in stuff that's really well-written that sells me on it, but it's not what I'm drawn to.

My favorite stuff to read is funny friendship pairings, because I love affection and jokes and I adore subtle relationship confusion, where people aren't quite sure of their feelings, and where the main obstacles in the story are trust and figuring out what the fuck they want from each other. Johnny/Stephane works ridiculously well for me on that front. I like good-natured teasing, and like you mentioned, I love people with years of history. I love people who know each other, and get other because on some level they're very similar, and who maybe fight and tease and banter but do it in a way without underlying malice. I like pairings where the people involved enjoy being together, it's like my crack.

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 04:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
HI, I love your comment so much, too!! I remember seeing what you said about Outtakes, that it wasn't so much a figure skating fic as much as it is a BGJW fic, and I support that 100%. Dialogue has always been one of the hardest things to pin down for me, but the fact that the show exists makes things so much better.

I like pairings where the people involved enjoy being together, it's like my crack.

BASICALLY JUST THIS YES. I love the slow burn that Johnny/Stephane can be sometimes, the way they maybe love each other but aren't quite at the stage where they actually recognise it yet, but that's okay, because their friendship is a seriously valuable thing to both of them too. It's, just -- they've known each other for such a long time, but they've been apart for most of it too! So they understand each other, but they don't get to meet very often either, such that when they do it feels like a special occasion.

I like how it can be hard to demarcate between friendship and romance for them, and basically every story I want to tell about the both of them just consists of a whole bunch of well-lit scenes where they're smiling at each other goofily and feeling like they lucked out. *_____________*

You should tell me about allllll the stories you want about the both of them, for I am interested in your brain.

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 04:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-spin.livejournal.com
Oh my god, I want all the stories? I seriously go through the list of Johnny/Stephane kinkmeme prompts all the time and make sad faces about how much I desperately want to read them and/or write them. I want AUs and friendship fill-in-the-blanks and futurefic and everything, basically. There's one where Johnny finally ends up going to FIT and ends up rooming with Stephane in Manhattan for some reason or another and they slowly and super-awkwardly fall in love and GOD I WANT IT. When I have time I may write it, I want it so badly. I have all these thoughts about Stephane being in New York because he's doing some US pro tours and Evan and a bunch of other skaters will be on it too, and Johnny goes to do a couple of the show dates while he's on break and things are still frosty with Evan, but then Evan is call like 'your weird swiss friend refuses to speak to me, you know' and it turns out Stephane has been giving him the silent treatment on Johnny behalf and they lol and end up taking things out and eventually becoming awkward friends. And there's lots of ice skating in central park, etc. I just want ittttttt.

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 05:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
OH MY GOD yesssss. All of these, ALL OF THESE. Falling in love in New York!! I also really enjoy the thought of Johnny and Stephane having long distance relationships ([livejournal.com profile] yeats and I were talking about this and oh man, oh man *_____________*) and yeah, I think this is why ilthis pairing so MUCH. Slowly and awkwardly! Is always the answer.

(I also enjoy that Evan cameo, because oh my heart! STEPHANE IS SUCH A PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE DRAMA QUEEN and I love it.)

Currently the universe that's eating my brain is the one where Johnny's a translator and Stephane writes children's books. \o/

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 05:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-spin.livejournal.com
Currently the universe that's eating my brain is the one where Johnny's a translator and Stephane writes children's books.

Please tell me you're actually writing this because &hearts

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 05:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extemporally.livejournal.com
Well I am writing a little bit of it? Mostly it's all in chatfic and it is the MOST RIDICULOUSLY SELF-INDULGENT thing ever and ahhhh, the whole thing just makes me SO HAPPY. SO HAPPY.

Okay I feel really shy about this but hey, if you wanted to know more I could email you. :D?

Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 12:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-spin.livejournal.com
Oh man, send it! I LOVE SELF-INDULGENT THINGS, what else is fanfiction for? Justthe thought of this is bringing me joy, I will literally read everything for this pairing. My email is the_spin@livejournal.com!

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