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Sunday, 2 May 2010 20:08![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Yesterday I was talking to
nova33 about why she loves Johnny/Evan, and there was this exchange:
And right there I guess is the kind of Johnny/Evan dynamic that's my favourite, the codependency and the frustration and the need. I mean, I can buy a whole bunch of different readings of their relationship (and so can Johnny & Evan! look at how spectacularly retconned their rivalry is!), but this I think is the definitive one that punches me in the gut and makes me believe, before I remember that Johnny/Stéphane is my OTP (tin-fucking-hat, you guys). I don't know, I find this the most exciting part of entering a fandom, getting to know who the hell these people are and who you ship and why you ship them ("they're pretty" is still a reason, fyi), and also basically thinking about it a whole bunch and also having really intense conversations about it, um.
So, anyway! Why do you ship what you ship, dudes? COME TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS.
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unlurkster: yessss. I approve of this.
OH OH
you know what?? I would like for this to be, like, an actually fake war
where they're just-kidding-no-really, and when they meet to hook up they have teasing hatesex that isn't really hatesex, only sometimes the boundaries between what they meant and didn't mean arenova33: Yes!
ORunlurkster: kind of blurred to even themselves
nova33: It really is just a weird sort of sexual tension. Like...they don't really like each other - so they're not terribly fond when they actually do get together - but all the shit they say to the press is just an extended form of pigtail-pulling.
So when they see each other it's genuine anger - "You implied I was gay!" "You said I was untalented!" - but it's all sort of a game.
Yes????unlurkster: oh mannnn yes! it's just a lot of weirdness crackling between them, sexually, and they don't know what they mean and what they don't mean
YES YES YES. let's have a BRAIN TWIN HI-FIVE, c'mon
And right there I guess is the kind of Johnny/Evan dynamic that's my favourite, the codependency and the frustration and the need. I mean, I can buy a whole bunch of different readings of their relationship (and so can Johnny & Evan! look at how spectacularly retconned their rivalry is!), but this I think is the definitive one that punches me in the gut and makes me believe, before I remember that Johnny/Stéphane is my OTP (tin-fucking-hat, you guys). I don't know, I find this the most exciting part of entering a fandom, getting to know who the hell these people are and who you ship and why you ship them ("they're pretty" is still a reason, fyi), and also basically thinking about it a whole bunch and also having really intense conversations about it, um.
So, anyway! Why do you ship what you ship, dudes? COME TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS.
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Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 14:52 (UTC)Although, the fic I really, really, really, really, really want, which I think is sort of what you were talking about yesterday, is this: Evan and Stéphane realize they are both kind of pining for Johnny and for whatever reason instead of doing anything about it they start hooking up, and then it turns into a ~relationship~ and then Johnny finds out, and is kind of destroyed by it, and then the three of them end up in the weirdest, most neurotic (yet huggy!) polyamorous relationship ever.
(I will totally read Johnny/Stéphane, because it is adorable, but my whole thing is WHO IS SAD AND HOW CAN HE GET CUDDLES, so it doesn't work as well for me.)
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Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 15:40 (UTC)Also, I want so much fic about that polyamorous relationship. SO MUCH.
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Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:18 (UTC)I will bribe people to write it. Seriously. Name your price, fandom.
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Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:38 (UTC)One morning Evan wakes up later than usual and Johnny's waiting for him in the kitchen, drumming his fingers on the table. When Evan goes into the kitchen to make himself some tea, Johnny's tone is sharp. "What time did you actually get to sleep last night?"
Evan sighs and sets the water on to boil. "I'm not sure." He stares at the kettle instead of looking at Johnny, but Johnny is already moving to stand next to him. Evan doesn't have to turn around to know that Johnny's hands are on his hips.
"Bullshit you're not sure," Johnny says, and he sounds pissed, but his voice cracks a little when he adds, "Don't lie."
Evan scrubs a hand over his face, smoothing his hair out of his eyes. He turns around and leans against the counter. "I think maybe it was three or so?" Johnny just looks at him, and Evan mumbles, "3:56."
"God, why won't you just sleep?" Johnny says, and shuts off the whistling kettle.
"I couldn't," Evan responds. "I had to-" He turns and pours the water into his mug.
"You had to what?" Johnny asks, and the tenderness that was beginning to show in his voice is gone. "What was so important that you had to forfeit sleep on one of the only nights you've had off in the past month?"
"I had to get that routine right," Evan says, and he's talking more to the steam rising from his mug than to Johnny, but the kitchen's too quiet.
"You-" Johnny starts, exasperated, and then he slides a hand onto Evan's neck, warm and gentle. "Evan."
"I just didn't do it well enough, on the show. The judges -"
"Screw the judges! It's fucking reality TV, everything is manufactured to be a certain way, to create drama. It's not real!" Johnny squeezes his hand lightly, but he knows immediately it was the wrong thing to say as Evan stiffens. He's clenching the mug so hard that his fingers are turning white.
"I just wanted to do it to the best of my ability," he says stiffly, and he's using his media voice, and Johnny hates it.
"You have a concussion, and a broken toe, and you're exhausted," Johnny says, and Evan breaks out of his grip and walks to the table.
"I had to get it right." Evan's sitting down now, but he still looks shaky, like he's going to slump over the table at any moment. "I couldn't sleep until I'd gotten it right. I kept thinking about it, lying in bed. All the things that I could fix."
"You should have woken me up," Johnny says, sitting down.
Evan shakes his head. "I don't think there was anything you could have done. I just needed to fix it." Johnny looks like he wants to say something else, but instead leans back in his chair and closes his eyes. "How long have you been up?" Evan asks, and Johnny holds up six fingers. "What did you have for breakfast?" There's a pause, and when Johnny opens his eyes Evan is looking at him intently. "Did you even have breakfast?"
"I wasn't hungry," Johnny replies, and Evan actually slams his hand down on the table, making Johnny jump.
"You have to fucking eat, Johnny."
"I just wasn't hungry!"
"You have to maintain your fitness, but you need energy. You know that."
"I eat," Johnny responds. "I made you dinner last night, didn't I?"
"Yeah, and most of what was on your plate ended up in the trash, even though you poked and prodded at it for forty minutes," Evan responds, and Johnny looks away. "I'm not blind, Johnny. I'm not an idiot, either."
"We're not talking about me," Johnny says. "We're talking about you."
"Not anymore."
"That discussion was not over."
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Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 06:43 (UTC)And this is a very interesting discussion you're all having, and I love how you guys can put into words what the rest of us are thinking.
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Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 11:26 (UTC)I'm glad you're finding it interesting! I tend to feel like I just ramble a lot? But basically my brain has been totally taken over by figure skating at the moment, so.
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Date: Thursday, 6 May 2010 13:45 (UTC)Augh, tell me about it. I mean, I enjoy it, except when I'm trying to have a life as well. :P
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Date: Thursday, 6 May 2010 13:54 (UTC)no subject
Date: Thursday, 6 May 2010 14:04 (UTC)I'm sure I have links for the episodes somewhere, because the internet is obliging, most of the time. I'll see if I can find them.
Oh man, I love this stupid fandom, but because I'm not in school at the moment, I just sit at home refreshing kink meme threads and watching figure skating programs for hours on end. I'm thinking that's not exactly healthy.
We could be friends? And then the PMing could happen! If you'd like, that is.
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Date: Friday, 7 May 2010 02:25 (UTC)Oh man, I love this stupid fandom, but because I'm not in school at the moment, I just sit at home refreshing kink meme threads and watching figure skating programs for hours on end. I'm thinking that's not exactly healthy.
Omg, are you me?
Sure thing. I'm Melon, by the way.
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Date: Friday, 7 May 2010 12:05 (UTC)Ahahaha, possibly? Seriously, I spent all of last weekend watching old routines. I fully blame _skating, and a RL friend of mine who is so, so pleased that soemone else is into skating. (Though she is baffled that it is me, of all people.)
Nice to meet you! (as it were) I'm Elena. *waves*
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Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:39 (UTC)"I -" Johnny starts. "Fine. Agreed." He holds out a hand to Evan, but Evan grabs it and doesn't let go, just tugs until Johnny comes over to his side of the table. He reaches up and threads his hands through Johnny's hair and pulls him down for a long kiss. His hands are gentle against Johnny's skin, his mouth warm from the tea.
Evan breaks away. "So we have a deal."
"Yeah," Johnny says, and if he sounds maybe a little more breathless than he does determined, he doesn't really think Evan can blame him.
In other news, I am totally writing polyamory fic! Because, um...the three of them together is my favourite thing ever? And I want to write self-indulgent threesome domesticity for ever and always.
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Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:52 (UTC)This commentfic is gorrrrrrgeous, I would like to read a billion words of it, please.
(I have talked to you in comments a bunch of times, so I just friended you, I hope you don't mind.)
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Date: Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:07 (UTC)Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I really do just get started talking about these people and I do not shut up.
Um...that being said, the commentfic? I am apparently really bad at just sort of briefly talking about something and then letting it go. I kind of want to write them in an established relationship where they take care of each other, now.
(Friended! I was always too chicken to suggest it, to be honest. I'm a big wuss.)
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Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 00:04 (UTC)THAT SOUNDS AMAZING. If there is a scene of Johnny thinking he doesn't deserve love then it will be my new favorite fic EVER, particularly if that is followed by cuddles. Um. I am kind of easy?
I would LOVE that to be established relationship fic, for real. But the thing I'm writing has just hit... 23,200 words, and I only just got to the conflict, so I am clearly CRAZY. Don't mind me.
(Hee. <3 I am the WORST about friending people, it freaks me out. But I promise I am not scary at all, although I am deeply, DEEPLY tl;dr about Johnny Weir's Inner Sadness.)
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Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 11:36 (UTC)There are many scenes like that, I think! Variations on a theme, if you will. Like...Johnny waking up in the middle of the night after the fourth or fifth time Evan's come over, cleaning because he's not sure what the hell is going on. And then Evan comes out to help him clean for a while and then get him to come back to bed. And another time in which Johnny says to Stephane and Evan over breakfast, "Anyone who ends up with me has to be either dumb or accepting," and his voice is shaky. "So which one are you?" ETC. I COULD GO ON AND ON.
Totally implausible established relationship h/c fic has been added to the list! (So it's official now.) You are not crazy! When I first randomly fell into this fandom - you know, back in the day... - I wrote 20, 000 words of the gay teen version of The Cutting Edge in two days. Like, original fiction. So you are definitely not the crazy one here. Tell me more about this thing you are writing? *waits patiently*
(Friending people on the internet should be easier than talking with people IRL, but somehow I've never managed to handle it very well. However! Thinky thoughts about Johnny Weir's Inner Sadness are definitely a good basis for a friendship, I feel.)
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Date: Monday, 3 May 2010 22:42 (UTC)Uh, the long thing is... long. 26k and change, and no discernable plot. Well. Sometime in the vague future after Johnny's retired, he's at the NHK cup for press stuff, and he ends up trying to help Adam Rippon get a date with Mirai Nagasu, but Evan is immediately suspicious that something's up, since Johnny's behind it, and the two of them spend the rest of the fic fighting with each other. (They have kind of a History.) It's very, very vaguely based around Pride and Prejudice.
HE IS SAD, INWARDLY, AND HE NEEDS HUGS, PARTICULARLY WHEN HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT THEM. This is like, my guiding fandom principal.
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Date: Tuesday, 4 May 2010 12:27 (UTC)Okay, so despite my initial dislike for Pride and Prejudice (please don't hate me for that; I studied it at an all-girls private school, I think that had something to do with it) that whole dynamic is clearly something I can get behind. This sounds amazing. Why wasn't it done, like, yesterday?
And an excellent principal it is!
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