!important! : thoughts which might save the world

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Yesterday I was talking to nova33 about why she loves Johnny/Evan, and there was this exchange:

unlurkster: yessss. I approve of this.
OH OH
you know what?? I would like for this to be, like, an actually fake war
where they're just-kidding-no-really, and when they meet to hook up they have teasing hatesex that isn't really hatesex, only sometimes the boundaries between what they meant and didn't mean are
nova33: Yes!
OR
unlurkster: kind of blurred to even themselves
nova33: It really is just a weird sort of sexual tension. Like...they don't really like each other - so they're not terribly fond when they actually do get together - but all the shit they say to the press is just an extended form of pigtail-pulling.
So when they see each other it's genuine anger - "You implied I was gay!" "You said I was untalented!" - but it's all sort of a game.
Yes????
unlurkster: oh mannnn yes! it's just a lot of weirdness crackling between them, sexually, and they don't know what they mean and what they don't mean
YES YES YES. let's have a BRAIN TWIN HI-FIVE, c'mon

And right there I guess is the kind of Johnny/Evan dynamic that's my favourite, the codependency and the frustration and the need. I mean, I can buy a whole bunch of different readings of their relationship (and so can Johnny & Evan! look at how spectacularly retconned their rivalry is!), but this I think is the definitive one that punches me in the gut and makes me believe, before I remember that Johnny/Stéphane is my OTP (tin-fucking-hat, you guys). I don't know, I find this the most exciting part of entering a fandom, getting to know who the hell these people are and who you ship and why you ship them ("they're pretty" is still a reason, fyi), and also basically thinking about it a whole bunch and also having really intense conversations about it, um.

So, anyway! Why do you ship what you ship, dudes? COME TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS.

Comments

[nova33.livejournal.com]

Oh man, so much pining. The whole premise is that Stephane and Johnny are together, but Stephane suggests a threesome, and Johnny suggests Evan (because he's maybe had this whole just-sex thing going with him for a while, and he can be counted on to be discreet). But then there are misunderstandings about what people mean to each other, and Johnny maybe panics because he's not even sure he deserves Stephane loving him, let alone Evan, and besides, how is three people ever going to work? So yes. Pining. And angsting. But then lots of schmoopy domesticity, like Stephane asking Evan to show him a DWTS dance, and then Stephane trying to teach Evan to bake but they get distracted and end up making out against the kitchen counter (even though at first, when Stephane's laughing and has flour in his hair and Evan leans in, because he just wants to kiss him, he pulls back, because he's not sure he's allowed, especially if Johnny's not there).

Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I really do just get started talking about these people and I do not shut up.

Um...that being said, the commentfic? I am apparently really bad at just sort of briefly talking about something and then letting it go. I kind of want to write them in an established relationship where they take care of each other, now.

(Friended! I was always too chicken to suggest it, to be honest. I'm a big wuss.)

[harriet-vane.livejournal.com]

DON'T BE SORRY, I am sitting here going, "I posted about Johnny EVERY SINGLE DAY this week, if I post about Adam's sparkly jeans I WILL BE DEFRIENDED BY THE ENTIRE INTERNET... but!!! Sparkly jeans!!!!!" and debating with myself.

THAT SOUNDS AMAZING. If there is a scene of Johnny thinking he doesn't deserve love then it will be my new favorite fic EVER, particularly if that is followed by cuddles. Um. I am kind of easy?

I would LOVE that to be established relationship fic, for real. But the thing I'm writing has just hit... 23,200 words, and I only just got to the conflict, so I am clearly CRAZY. Don't mind me.

(Hee. <3 I am the WORST about friending people, it freaks me out. But I promise I am not scary at all, although I am deeply, DEEPLY tl;dr about Johnny Weir's Inner Sadness.)

[nova33.livejournal.com]

Well, for the record, I wouldn't defriend you for that. I feel that would be kinda awesome, actually.

There are many scenes like that, I think! Variations on a theme, if you will. Like...Johnny waking up in the middle of the night after the fourth or fifth time Evan's come over, cleaning because he's not sure what the hell is going on. And then Evan comes out to help him clean for a while and then get him to come back to bed. And another time in which Johnny says to Stephane and Evan over breakfast, "Anyone who ends up with me has to be either dumb or accepting," and his voice is shaky. "So which one are you?" ETC. I COULD GO ON AND ON.

Totally implausible established relationship h/c fic has been added to the list! (So it's official now.) You are not crazy! When I first randomly fell into this fandom - you know, back in the day... - I wrote 20, 000 words of the gay teen version of The Cutting Edge in two days. Like, original fiction. So you are definitely not the crazy one here. Tell me more about this thing you are writing? *waits patiently*

(Friending people on the internet should be easier than talking with people IRL, but somehow I've never managed to handle it very well. However! Thinky thoughts about Johnny Weir's Inner Sadness are definitely a good basis for a friendship, I feel.)

[harriet-vane.livejournal.com]

Oh maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. Those scenes make me all fluttery. THEY SOUND AMAZING, I SINCERELY SINCERELY HOPE YOU WRITE THEM. Mostly so I can stare at you creepily like <3_______<3 and then bother you for MORE, but still.

Uh, the long thing is... long. 26k and change, and no discernable plot. Well. Sometime in the vague future after Johnny's retired, he's at the NHK cup for press stuff, and he ends up trying to help Adam Rippon get a date with Mirai Nagasu, but Evan is immediately suspicious that something's up, since Johnny's behind it, and the two of them spend the rest of the fic fighting with each other. (They have kind of a History.) It's very, very vaguely based around Pride and Prejudice.

HE IS SAD, INWARDLY, AND HE NEEDS HUGS, PARTICULARLY WHEN HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT THEM. This is like, my guiding fandom principal.

[nova33.livejournal.com]

I want to write so much OT3 fic, you have no idea. And so many ridiculous scenes of angsting and domesticity, all blended together!

Okay, so despite my initial dislike for Pride and Prejudice (please don't hate me for that; I studied it at an all-girls private school, I think that had something to do with it) that whole dynamic is clearly something I can get behind. This sounds amazing. Why wasn't it done, like, yesterday?

And an excellent principal it is!